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From the sound of the going ons over at Warhammer they have huge epic PvE raids which people can join through some sort of queue system. The rewards are handed out once the final boss is killed and are based on how much you contributed to the fight.<BR/><BR/>If it works out well we could easily see Warhammer literally consume every casual player out of World of Warcraft. I'm a huge fan of WoW at the moment but I've burned out on raiding back in the Everquest era and have been disappointed with the huge amount of time spent on zones that I'll never see.Relmsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358853054116842043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2264784145857493366.post-55464449249874842062008-01-02T15:26:00.000-05:002008-01-02T15:26:00.000-05:00I don't think anyone's arguing over whether a pug ...I don't think anyone's arguing over whether a pug should or shouldn't wipe on Kara as it currently exists. My point is that even if you tune down Kara, you'd have to tune it down to an absurd level in order to compensate for the complete lack of coordination, focus, or raid balance that would result with the "click button to auto-join raid" system you're proposing.<BR/><BR/>I wasn't suggesting it was telling that a level 70 BG-style pug would wipe in Kara. It's telling that they would wipe in <I>BWL</I>.Girl Meets WoWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10249613107348250757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2264784145857493366.post-22521167070634405722008-01-02T03:09:00.000-05:002008-01-02T03:09:00.000-05:00Of course a PUG would wipe on Attumen if you left ...Of course a PUG would wipe on Attumen if you left Karazhan as it is. Making raiding PUGable not only consists of creating some sort of queueing system like in battlegrounds, but also in "nerfing" the PUG-Karazhan to a level where the average (that is really, really bad) PUG has a good chance of killing Attumen. And yes, that encounter would be trivially easy for a "real" raiding group. They would get "heroic" Karazhan, which is like Karazhan is today.Toboldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04354082945218389596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2264784145857493366.post-5629153340872807142008-01-01T19:08:00.000-05:002008-01-01T19:08:00.000-05:00Hey I don't know why it is but I play Alliance on ...Hey I don't know why it is but I play Alliance on Rexxar and 11-12 losing games before one win. Maybe it's that bad for the horde too, but somehow I doubt it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2264784145857493366.post-73921885015109818502008-01-01T00:01:00.000-05:002008-01-01T00:01:00.000-05:00Man 26 straight loses to get a win? That's awful, ...Man 26 straight loses to get a win? That's awful, I can't say I feel your pain since I'm in a a battlegroup where the Horde seem to know what their doing most of the time without much arguing in the /BG chat.Khadarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13863761858686008064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2264784145857493366.post-56212138460218938392007-12-31T16:14:00.000-05:002007-12-31T16:14:00.000-05:00I'm on Bloodlust, and the Alliance get owned in th...I'm on Bloodlust, and the Alliance get owned in the face by the hard-core PvP guys on Horde. Fortunately for me, I'm on Horde so we win just about every AV - but the disadvantage is that Alliance are boycotting AV meaning 2+ hour queues.<BR/><BR/>On to your point... I think Tobold's idea has merit, but we need to disembark from typical thinking "Karazhan" to get to where we need to be.<BR/><BR/>Hellgate: London allows very good group play with absolutely numnbuts without it being a painful experience; in HGL I cruise around with AutoParty always on. The reason, IMO, that it works so well is because HGL doesn't try and be advanced with a WoW-style raiding system and highly scripted bosses; there's just waves of enemies in dungeons with some randomly distributed boss mobs.<BR/><BR/>I think in order for Tobold's idea to work (which Bliz will never implement, as it will impact their much-touted top-end raiding game) we'd need to depart form the standard scene of raiding as it is now; not Attumen and his cronies, but something more straightforward like AV or HGL.Richard Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18050676273273286049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2264784145857493366.post-19945331656286636602007-12-31T12:54:00.000-05:002007-12-31T12:54:00.000-05:00Ah, we share the same battlegroup. I was likely w...Ah, we share the same battlegroup. I was likely with you in one of those losing AVs. I eventually just gave up on completing that daily PvP.<BR/><BR/>To me, AV just keeps getting worse. I long for the old days of many hours spent in a single AV, battling it out, upgrading NPCs, summoning giants... It just a Horde win-fest now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2264784145857493366.post-41280597247425828912007-12-31T09:37:00.000-05:002007-12-31T09:37:00.000-05:00Welcome to my world. This is every single day on m...Welcome to my world. This is every single day on my server. I got into an Arathi Basin last night and one guy asked, "What is the plan?" - The Raid Leader replied with "Hold one flag, kill as many as you can and let's get a badge." WTF???<BR/><BR/>I used to be one of those people who simply believed that Blizzard made the Horde better, and in a sense they did. If you match racial ability to racial ability, the Alliance got the short end of the stick. I still hate the Nelf racial ability of moving fast when you're dead. It doesn't even help in BGs because you have to wait 2 minutes to body-rez. 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